Funny, when Ryan Lengerich interviewed me for his story, I actually paused before going on record and thought to myself, "I need to be careful what I say, because it'll probably end up on Leo's blog." Hmmm...
Leo, you raise some interesting points, and the property rights discussion is a good one to have (even though FW tends to have it until she's blue in the face!). But I do think you painted it black and white, when it really needs to be gray. Barry did a great job illustrating this, but I'd like to add a little, too.
In any non-libertarian anarchist society (arguably, all that have ever existed), regulations on property rights always exist to some degree and should really be viewed not as always bad or always good, but rather as sometimes appropriate and sometimes not. And as Barry suggested, some properties should without question have more regulations placed on them than should others. Most people would see that as very reasonable.
FW has agreed that she doesn't want to be a city where abandoned cars can sit in residential yards (enter private property regulations). Historic designation is the same thing: FW agreeing that she doesn't want to be a city without any historically significant buildings (enter private property regulations). Conceptually, they're the same thing. The degree of effort necessary to comply may differ, but the concept is the same. So unless FW wants to throw out all codes, zoning regulations, etc. she needs to see this issue through gray-colored glasses.
Re: your specific comments:
"'Historic preservation' lets you keep it -- you just can't do anything with it." - Not true. You can do many things with it, just not anything you want. Again, only different than any other property by degree, not principle.
"nobody, after all, is really 'losing' anything" - You're right on this one. The property owner is losing something (not truly libertarian), but not everything.(not truly socialist, either).
"It's nice that he has some sympathy for the church. Is he willing to help the church find the chance to grow and prosper some other way since he is taking from it the most obvious way? Preserving historic structures is important, but how do you weigh that value against a planned productive use for that space? ...And somebody owns the buildings and has plans for them." - I do love urban churches! I hope to join one myself when we return. But I guarantee my purchasing of 1010 is not taking away St. John's ability to grow and prosper. They knew this property was on the market, and if they were already bursting at the seams and financially capable, they would have bought it themselves (surprisingly, neither the Realtor nor the previous owner even received a phone call from them!), just like they bought the one to the north in 2003. (And you should know, 1010 was significantly less than that one.) But if they couldn't afford this property now, how on earth could they be contemplating, let alone afford, a multi-million dollar building expansion? No, from my conversations with church reps, which, by the way, have been remarkably pleasant and civil, the only thing they are currently interested in and able to afford is razing the old buildings. That's it! They told me directly that they have no current need, plans, or financial ability to build now or in the near future. Rather, they're main desire is to "have better control over their destiny". But tell me, Leo, do you have some other knowledge of their "planned productive use for that space"?
"The history we are making -- expansion of an urban church -- I submit is just as important as the history we would remember." - Again, I know of no plans for expansion of St. John's. But even if there were, I might still disagree with your comparative analysis, as would many others in the community and FW.
"care better be taken not to give ordinary people the idea that they have lost control of their city..." - I don't even know how to address this type of exaggeration. But as a question, do you think historic landmarking in general accomplishes this belief, or just this particular designation that would do so?
"...people who think they know best and just aren't going to listen." - Without addressing your overwhelming cynicism, I will tell you that though I and many others do think it better to preserve these building than raze them, we certainly wouldn't stand in the way if the City (citizens and elected officials) decided otherwise. If the church prevails in thwarting designation, so be it.
As I said in the article, I've seen landmarking both help and hurt communities. As such, sometimes I favor it, sometimes I don't. And I believe I can do both from a principled position. Why I have agreed to favor it in this case (remember, I didn't initiate it, the HPC called me out of the blue!) is because when it comes to losing historic structures, FW has seen enough. I don't know anybody who's happy with what's been lost. On the contrary, most grieve it. So let's just have the discussion, at least. Let's present the arguments. And which ever side prevails, I sincerely hope the other doesn't feel it's lost control of its city.